turbine the 2nd best map in tf2

Glad to see turbine made it into the official maps, it's the best ctf map I've seen so far for TF2. Incredibly well balanced and a lot of interesting tactics which can be pulled of succesfully.
I havent't really played Fastlane, but I heard some good things about it and apparently it earned the Valve seal of approval, so I'm looking forward to playing it.

Turbine is one of the only ctf maps i like playing, about time it got recognized, classic non value map.

Never played Fastlane, so that could be intresting.

Hopefully cp_steel gets the attention it deserves with one of the next updates, not too thrilled with turbine (looks too much like a mach4/well-hybrid).

turbine is bleh, it may be nice balance-wise, but it is way too plain. There are 0 obstacles to jump on/hide behind or use to your advantage some other way. Also, all the routes are very straightforward and there are almost no opportunities for trickjumps.

Fastlane looks nice but i've yet to playtest it

nah I love the gameplay of turbine, it's one of my faves from back in the day, good map for pretty much every class

It's too small and very team-dependant. If you're on the losing team its just no fun cuz its over too quickly. Thats what makes for a bad map imo.

Badlands -being the 2nd most team-dependant map I can think of- at least has terrain suited for all classes but turbine...nah uh.

The match ytd is a good example: without my team taking out most of the other team I couldnt do much as a scout, rendering me basically useless. Shouldnt happen on a good map.

It is like thay on any map.

Not on ctf maps. >.>
Try getting from the intel on well to the other intel, wont make that in the same time as on turbine.

Surely you can't be saying ctf_well is better than turbine?