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Important Poll For Server 1. Everyone please vote.
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Author:  Shy Guy [ Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:23 am ]
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I was happy with 24 people. But seeing as in the evenings all 3 servers are allways full, I guess this would be somewhat better. Although I have to agree 32 people is more chaotic. Rush'n'die seems so much more normal (and the score board doesn't adjust to 32 people).
As for admin slots, I think there should be at least one. I had played a bit yesterday, but there were people who couldn't stop swearing (thank God for the profanity filter, or whichever admin put it on :) ). Even though I know there isn't always an admin online, some kept on shouting at eachother, instead of playing together to win the matches.

Let's just see what'll turn out to be best,

Greetings,

Drago
Author:  Daniel Tull [ Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:43 pm ]
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I really didn't get on with 32 players. Played it on dustbowl and badlands (which to be fair, I'm still getting to grips with) the other night and just got fed up. Capturing the CPs seemed to happen really quickly and a dominating team just can't be stopped. At least with 24 players, if one team is dominating, you have a little more time to get a defense up/fall back.

24+4 for admin sounds good for you guys, who pay the cash. It's great that the servers are so popular, personally I'm never playing TF2 anywhere else, even if I have to wait for a spot when there's many free slots on other servers. Still I think the 24 player limit was created by Valve for a reason; generally the game is really well balanced and no class truly dominates, just the higher quality players.

Also worthy of a note is that badlands plays a hell of a lot better with around 12 people than it does with 24. Last night (or the night before, with Octal and Mehby) we were playing a game where the other team got CP4 and we got back to CP 3, then it went back and forth and eventually we won. Never seen any of the maps in such a back-forth movement, was truly awesome to play on and had me guessing as to whom would win right to the end.
Author:  finis2 [ Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:48 pm ]
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Jono wrote:
Some games work great as 32 players, but I don't think TF2, or at least its current maps are included in that list. As finis2's already said, the maps are balanced for 24 players (are they?) Well they certainly seem to be.

Well, I didn't test them but I guess Valve had their reason to choose 24 players as the default setting. And frankly, I can't imagine someone winning on 2fort (which already happens rarely enough on public games). It's one thing to get the Intelligence out of the enemy base, when there are 12 players you have to face. It's impossible to do so when there are 16.

The same thing applies to attack/defend maps where it will be almost impossible to capture the point. Just imagine 16 people spamming you as soon as you come out of your spawn, making it essentially impossible to move up unless you have three ubers going at the same time.

Other than that, I agree with you on every point. Great post.
Author:  BeefWeasel [ Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:26 pm ]
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finis2 wrote:
Well, I didn't test them but I guess Valve had their reason to choose 24 players as the default setting.


Oh I wasn't questioning you(!) :)
I just didn't know that valve put in the 24 player limit default. Or rather I don't know anything about TF2 at all. Totally ignorant is what I am.

I just joined the first few UK-looking servers I found in the server browser and once I got to this one I stopped searching :)
24 makes sense..The scoreboard's scaled for it perfectly too.
Author:  Githzerai [ Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:20 pm ]
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32 players is fine for a piss about on a random public server, but 24 seems the perfect number for the balanced team play that HH is all about. The chaos caused by the extra 4 people per team tends to encourage an 'everyman for himself' style of play where tactics are eschewed in favour of weight of numbers. There should always be room for at least one admin as well.
Author:  Khola [ Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:38 am ]
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didnt find the thread....


ALRIGHT ALRIGHT i was playing mario

wouldve gone for 24 with 4 admin or 28 wid admin...... i dunno...... ~GODDAMMN WII GAME
Author:  Spiderbloke [ Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Important Poll For Server 1. Everyone please vote.
I've come across a thread on the Valve forums about the recent custom tab they added.
Anything higher than 24 counts as custom and will get shoved off the internet tab onto the custom tab (that as far as I know the majority of casual players don't use. Other servers have reported drops in players since because of this. Exaggeration or not, it's not a good state of affairs). There are ways around it, but apparently Valve may try delist servers that do. :|

As far as I can see it's just pure facistic "be like we want or get put in a concentration camp" behaviour from Valve, which is why henceforth they will be referred to as NaziSoftware for the duration of this post. :roll:

Ok, It's just a game at the end of the day, but thousands of people pour time, effort and money into servers for people to play on (ourselves included), and it's up to them how they run that server. They shouldnt be blacklisted for modifying it to suit peoples tastes.

NaziSoftware created 2 of the most modified games in history, and they go and pull a stunt like this. I'm sure you can see the irony in that.
Good solutions offered up in said forum thread (such as have all listed, but extra induvidual filters, or have All-Unmodified-Modified tabs), but those voices of reason are as usual being drowned out by the cacophany of stubborness, condescending atttudes and general pig ignorance. One even suggested that those who flouted the newly imposed rules in order to get lost traffic back were cheaters who should be banned. :|

I realise that most people who play Valves, sorry, NaziSoftware's games dont actually comment on their forums, but the problem is Valve, sorry again, NaziSoftware listen to the those who do, and many of those who do tend to be, for lack of a better term, fanboys (or for analogies sake, Gestapo agents).

Seems it's turned into a bit of a rant. Fell into Godwins Trap quite easily, but in this case I'd say it's a good comparison. ;)

But what I'm getting at is this: If you change anything from the default settings and dont get round it somehow, you'll be moved to a tab that doesnt get as much use as the main tab. And if you do use methods to get round it, NaziSoftware may remove your server from the listings completely.

Frankly I can see a few server admins switching games because of this.
Author:  fJack [ Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:46 am ]
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Will the proposed 4 admin slots be hidden, so that it will show up as 24 but allow admins to connect with a command/password? That way the guys that really deserve to be on can play whenever they want and you wouldn't have to muck about with the custom tab, the whole delisting of servers bypassing the tag system etc..

Personally I think H|H servers have too much teamwork and co-ordination to be reduced to a 32 man,
4 players (and crit rockets) per square metre spam fest (DEMO)
Author:  Akasazh [ Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:06 pm ]
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24

And if must be (and if it works properly) 4 hidden slots. Having 4 people extra on that are guaranteed not noobs is ok.

I think it will fill 2&3 up faster aswell.
Author:  User [ Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:25 pm ]
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Sorry to drag up the past but I think how it would be really cool to have 4 Reserved Slots for Members.

just or the server 1 mind you.
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