You can't really use orangebomb as an example of a custom map.
ctf_well empties the server too, but I wouldn't give that as a reason to stop playing Valve maps

It's a map that was on the server when it was a payload map, it was put on more often then many other maps, and it empties the server.

It fitted my example, CTF well was not on the payload server - for obvious reasons.

You used Orangebomb as an example of a custom map because it's dull and empties the server, that is unfair because Orangebomb was never intented to be played on a real server and there are many custom maps that are much better so no you cannot say custom maps are bad because of orangebomb, just as much as I can't say all Valve maps are bad because of ctf_well

There are plenty of good customs. Broma, steel and mach4 come to mind.

was this thread started before or after that night you whinged over and over about spam and then got an admin to change from goldrush to 2fort.. then when it changed you demanded everyone do Melee only, when no one was playing by your rules the sudden realisation that the server would be stuck on 2fort for 45 minutes emptied the server within minutes?

(I was enjoying playing goldrush before it got switched)

Unfortunately most custom maps empty a server quicker than a server crash.

We cant jsut change the server over for one person and for the love of god why did you change from goldrush to 2fort ?
Goldrush is thw most popular map, you dont like it, so what, if everyone made a post about what they did and didnt like we would have merged with steam forums, server 2 nevers has been 26 slots server one has been 24 slots for alteast 3 weeks now.
You complain about spam but suggest we get rid of the least spamiest server we have that gets used regually.

If you remembr 2 months or more ago server 3 was customs server none used it unless we went on invited ourfriends list over, customs dont work as even though we had the best ones out at the time on, it wouldnt fill up as everyone goes, oh its a customs it will jsut be trying to sell some stupid mechanic like escroting a mop, or that it will be completely confusing, everyone says they dont but its a fact that they do otehrwise it wouldnt be empty would it.

k3d, this was started after that night, which ruined a good game in my opinion.

Ares, some people seem to like knocking goldrush because they don't win all 3 rounds!!

I don't get people that complain about spam, now you have the pyro air thingy why do you find it an issue???? just shoot them back at people - or use one of the other routes and come out behind them!

At the moment, I think 1 and 2 get the most use for a couple of reasons:
1. Everyone has them on their fav's list
2. they are 24 slot ones, so you should be able to get the class you want and still win
3. they have hlstats

Server 3 has changed a few times on what it hosts, and has done so this week as well I think, but it's saving grace is the hlstats (see a trend here yet?)

Server 4 is no-crits, so only people that want that sort of game will play.

Server 5 is newish, most probably do not have it listed on fav's, it's a good size at 20 slots, but I tend only to go there if 1 and 2 is full as I like me stats...

I say remvoe stats of all god damn servers and then the servers would be much better 1. all the stat whores who want to sit there building sgs at their spawn will go else where and 2. the other server will fill up aswell

But the stats give you something to aim for, bit like the ranking system on bf2142.
Before I found the HH servers I was barely playing tf2, only because I had 2/3 servers that I could rack up consistant points to bring me back did I carry it on - and I think you might find the same with some other people, both regs, clanners and those that we don't talk about (the non HH *shudder*)

People would hate it, but what about only giving 1 point for building an sg, and 5 for killing - though only if you can get it that the engie doesn't profit from that of course.

Bit hard to stat pad if you only get 4 points for building everything...

Or, 0 points whilst you are still in the probation period of 150 kills and then upping the points to 1 or 2 for everything?

agreed, drop hls and keep the other lot that dont show up all the time, forgot the name.

That way 1 servers become cheaper, because if i remember rightly hls aint cheap, and the others are free? maybe wrong, also the people as ares said that want to build sents and hide, or play so cagey because heaven forbid they lose a point!

Personaly i rather have a nice server, that works together, and don't care about diein, then a server were everyones to scared to attack, luckly most the time the servers are the team work style that i like, but i have noticed a few people playin that whole 'i dont wana lose points' crap and it does get annoying when you know just 2 people more pushing rather then sod assing about would be the diffrence between winning and losing the round.

As for custom maps, i love custom maps, ofcourse there come god awfull maps out there but there is also some great customs out there, steel_b4 for example, its a great little map, so underrated imo, yes its confusing at first but once you learn were ya going its the most fun ya can have with ya cloths on... well...almost.

Maps like cp_labor again a great little simple map, yes it can be a bit 'spammy' but lets be honst your playing 12v12 public games, yes its brillent when at night ya get some team work going but sadly alot of the time it is spam based, the game is a fast passed spam game in that sorta enviomenrt and surely we play the game to have fun and get away from real life for a bit, not to play then come a moan that the game is to spammy?

I would love to see a custom map server and i would also love to see more customs played on #1 and #2 people say that they empty the server, well surely that just make space for people that DO want to play the customs maps amongst the constant dustbowl/goldrush/fastlane/whatever else is over played atm - If the case of a custom server was to come about, i would say we picked the lets say 10 best custom maps that we as a clan decided and then went for it and see how it goes, if we didn't like the maps then swap em out for my fan fav maps.

Let just stay away from the orange_x maps hey

*breathe*

guess i got carryed away

Remember I made a thread asking what people thought on stats. Half said they don't care half said it was something to work toward. Taking hlstats off the servers pisses off people, but leaving it on harms nobody.

If you get a stat whore spamming one class and lone wolfing it, who cares, all those kills he gets helps the team anyway.

Sam can be a little...... demanding in game yes, but we all have our maps we don't like and our bad days and from what I hear the admin that changed maps on the request of one person was being soft or pulling favours for a reg either of which is not on.

I think it's pretty safe to say this debate is wrapped up. Sam was just in a bad mood when he wrote this, and it's all been discussed and cleared up, no need to pick on someone for having an opinion on a bad day eh lads?

On the subject of maps and servers how about shutting down 4 and 5 since they're empty 95% of the time and bring #3 in line with 1 and 2 with a bit more flexibility? Saves money and tightens things up.