Don't feed the troll.

lol not trolling mate .

Just making a comment is all I would say making the server more active is more importent then if its vanilla or not. Maybe I worded it wrong. If this helps the server be more active then that's great.

Oh, ok, if it was a serious question then I retract my words with an apology.
I think the point is, this has little to do with server activity. The servers ran terribly for quite a long time, and I think a lot of people got fed up with it and found new favourites.
Then there's the fact that the game is 4 years old. Most people who played on HH 2,3, even 4 years ago, still often do from what I have seen, though.

Arrr I see I did not know that. If thats the case then yes it's importent to nail this on the head. It will only take one or two of them old regs coming back if the server is running well.

I vote this for motd

Frog's point that fluffy agreed with of drawing a line is very important.

Frankly Boris, Pyro doesn't need the Degreaser or Flare Gun to be effective; limiting items for any class has an effect on available playstyles, the Pyro is no different except in that his playstyles have evolved perhaps further than other classes'.

I don't see how you can call the pyro ineffective with only stock weapons. With the airblast ability the stock flamethrower has, he is arguably one of the most effective classes in the game. Reflecting rockets, nades, stickies, jarate, etc. Putting out burning team members, keeping back ubered enemies, clearing enemy stickies, capping points while airblasting close-by enemies away and also spy-checking as already mentioned. He is just so versatile.

Regarding the axetinguisher, I know we briefly spoke about this on the server Jobe and I can see your point to an extent. The default axe is still good enough to kill most burning classes with one hit except the heavy. The only (all be it notable) problems are over-healed classes requiring more than one hit, and that you can't do a quick burn and axe move to kill them, it requires more burning time before meleeing with the default axe.

The problem arises that if we make exceptions for the axetinguisher, then spies will want their dead ringer, engies will want the wrangler, etc. Then it gets to the point where it might as well be all unlocks.

I can certainly see how going pure vanilla is going to be harsher on some classes than others.

For me it'll feel like a nerf to a lot of the classes I play regularly, and not so much of a big deal for others:

1) Scout. never play him so I have no real opinion on this.

2) Soldier. Hmm, well all my loadout gear is non-vanilla, but dropping back to standard gear wouldn't be too much of a problem, just more of a readjustment.

3) Pyro. As vanilla? Yikes, he'd just be underpowered and puny.

4) Demo. No problem with the vanilla loadout here. It seemed all the demo loadout updates were more for amusement rather than anything tactical.

5) Heavy. Not having access to the GRU is going to be so painful as to make the Heavy pretty much a dead class.

6) Engineer. Fine with vanilla here too.

7) Medic. Was kritz in at the start? I picked up TF2 late so am not sure. Either way, I'd miss the variety if it's not allowed.

8) Sniper. Fine

9) Spy. Whatever Efrath says

Come the vote I'll be saying no to vanilla.

Also going pure vanilla mean people who have paid for weapsons yes people do
Will not be playing on there.

But I still its a great idea to have a pure vanilla. Just maybe not server 1.

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