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Author:  klu [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting

henchling wrote:
He's clearly being sarcastic, but what was his point?

Requesting that taunting be disabled on the server would be an absurd overreaction?

I agree.

Again, and this is getting very tiresome: I have never asked that taunting be disabled on the server.

So, once again I ask. What was his point?


OK so you don't want taunting to be disabled via plugin, server rules etc.

So what DO you want? What is the purpose of this thread? What are you hoping to achieve?

If you outline this clearly then people can discuss if what you want is possible, feasible, justified etc and work towards achieving it if necessary.

At the moment you're just coming across as someone who fancies having a bit of a moan.

Author:  Sam [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting

Their point was that taunts and voice commands are similar. Complaining about voice commands would be petty, therefore complaining about taunts would be petty.

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OK so you don't want taunting to be disabled via plugin, server rules etc.


Anyone could discover this if they'd read less than halfway down the first page.

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I'm not asking that you prevent them from taunting. I'm simply asking, here, where it might be noticed by someone with a different mindset to them and who might have the ability to exercise some kind of influence over them, that they refrain from taunting me.


The problem here isn't trolls, it's people who don't read through the thread or consider what has been said carefully.

Author:  henchling [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting

Quoting yourself is a little gross, but this post from a few pages back is pretty much the best I've articulated my core point so far:

henchling wrote:
I wasn't aware that my goals had changed Blinx, but to answer you directly, I guess it all boils down to this quote from Dazed:

"Me, Zerged and others have taunted almost every kill for 3 years or more."

There's some debate over the specifics of this statement, but though I've been actively tolerant of both Dazed and Zerged over the past few years, as I see it, it wasn't until fairly recently (I took a break earlier in the year, and when I returned it seemed to be gaining popularity) that others decided to adopt this behaviour, forming a clique of sorts.

It's pretty easy to stomach a couple of people you don't care much for doing something mildly abrasive, but when it becomes a "thing", and others adopt it, then ignoring it becomes much more of an issue. At least for me.

As I've said all along, I don't mind people taunting. Taunting has its place, in moderation.

That said, these guys (by their own admission) do it all the time to everyone, and that is something I find, well, kinda obnoxious.

Plus, in my mind, I don't see how it's normal, acceptable behaviour for anyone (whether it's in a public Valve server or a clan server that takes pride in teamwork and good competition, like HH), let alone a positive experience for someone unfamiliar to the server.

As Mehby posted earlier (though his intent was likely different to mine), the definition of taunt is:

"provoke or challenge (someone) with insulting remarks" - the remark in this case being a character animation.

I've acknowledged that the majority of their taunts likely don't hold any malice, but you have to do work to get beyond the innate meaning of such an action, which in their minds has been twisted into some kind of positive, fun gesture. Sadly, I haven't reached this point.

Ideally, I'd like them to only taunt people who they know, for sure, are down for their type of fun.

I've never suggested that they stop entirely.

I've never suggested that they have their ability to taunt taken away from them.

I've never suggested that they should be admonished or punished for their actions.

Dazed has made it clear he's never going to stop taunting, and in pretty dramatic fashion too. I don't think I'll change his mind, but that's OK. Nothing to get angry about.

I started this thread to discuss the matter. Many people have willfully misinterpreted its intent and what I've written. I expected this, to an extent. I don't mind, these things happen, and people will form whatever opinions they like. Others (admittedly, fewer) have been supportive, which is reassuring, but I've just enjoyed the discussion.

I'm not sure where it will go. At this point I feel like I'm just replying to comments posted with good and bad intent.

Author:  Deepblue [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting

jacky wrote:
I can understand that people get annoyed by being tauntet. However, it's just a game mechanic and the obvious answer then is simply: Deal with it.
I really don't see how moderating peoples behaviour, if its not abusive or against the rules, is ever a good idea. Especially considering that now we have arrived at a point where people suggest that some loadouts are not fun for them and should thus be 'banned' too, because their way to play the game is the only way.


Well yeah, outright stopping something for the few is silly.

Ok let's sort this out.

Hench, it probably would have been best to keep it private since it's mostly just you having a problem. Talk to the ones doing it and come to an agreement.

The whole bringing it out into the public thing just makes it look like you think they're a nuisance bothering everyone.

We don't know if it's just you that is bothered by it or others are.
Until we get that information, I don't think we should just jump to conclusions.

It'd be good to get Zerged's side of this . As far as I can tell, they just made up something like a tradition and would always do it. Not as a malicious thing or to annoy people, but to just add a bit of variety into TF2 when they play.
Maybe one decided to do it and others thought it was fun and followed, who knows?

Taunting is part of the game and you're just using things that are provided by the game.
Posting offensive language is different for example since the function is provided by the game but the content isn't.

I dunno, it just kinda feels like the way some players react to someone using a Dead Ringer. Imagine coming onto this server for the first time as a Spy using that item and hearing teammates from the group complaining about it?
I'm not saying that it happens but it's similar because it might be something that annoys some members. I have heard some mention the Dead Ringer now and again when they discover an enemy Spy is using it though. (I'm not trying to derail the thread here, just providing an example.)

Long story short
What would you want happen, Hench?
If you just want Zerged and others to stop doing it to you, a private discussion would be more reasonable than a public discussion about them.

Author:  henchling [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting

It looks like we've reached the point where Deepblue doesn't even care to read the post prior to his before constructing a reply.

Take a look, Deepblue. I think you'll find answers to at least a few of your questions.

As for your insistence that I should have kept this private. I'm not friends with the people involved, and this issue goes beyond a quarrel between a couple of people, it involves the clan - it's their server, not mine, not Dazed, not Zerged, not anyone else's the group I've been talking about. I took the most direct line to communicate with the clan. If you're so put out by what's contained in this thread, there's a pretty simple solution to your problem. Don't read it.

Author:  Spandex [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting

You are still dodging the question what you would like to happen and what is the actual issue you are having here.

Zerged was willing to stop taunting, but you constantly keep changing your name apparently.

Author:  henchling [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting

Spandex,

What you've written is so painfully absurd I'm having difficulty even comprehending what you're attempting to do.

Did you not read the 3rd post on this very page?

Author:  klu [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting

henchling wrote:
Spandex,

What you've written is so painfully absurd I'm having difficulty even comprehending what you're attempting to do.

Did you not read the 3rd post on this very page?


Are you on something?

His post makes absolute sense to me.

The taunters have offered to not taunt you as it irks you so. Yet to do this, they need to know when you're playing against them - which is impossible if you keep changing your name.

Author:  Sam [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting

Why do people keep posting when they obviously have not read the thread? Or even the posts that directly precede theirs?

It is just baffling.

Author:  Spandex [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting

Again you dodged the question...

And yes, i have read the entire thread.

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