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| Author: | Mehby [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taunting |
I'm not entirely sure there is anything we can do tbh. the subjects in question clearly know that constantly taunting is annoying to some and may ruin the experience for those players. We could try make it more clear to them but the consensus seems to be that we don't want to punish them but we don't necessarily wish them to continue. I honestly can't see this discussion going anywhere other than in circles. If it's feasible would it be possible for a taunt ban of sorts. This would hold many angles as it could be placed temporarily or permanently by admins with the user in question having to make their case either on the forums or elsewhere, or (with no doubt increased difficulty of said plugin) an automated temp taunt-ban which tracks if the user has taunted after each kill and after say 5 consecutive insta-taunts proceeds with a taunt ban of however long. I have no idea if this would be possible simply trying to open up an option other than another 10 pages of going nowhere |
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| Author: | dazed [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taunting |
The amusing thing is, in the last couple of days taunting has increased dramtically on the server since this thread started, almost everyone was doing it this evening and having a great laugh about it too, although olshi forgot to stick his happy face on his panties this morning: Henchling has now written more about his inability to deal with us pulling a silly smily face pose in a comincal fps hat simulator, than most people write in their dissertation, I find that disturbing to say the least. This thread does not need to continue, if he keeps his name the same then people will try and not taunt him when they see it is him they killed, it's that simple, no one else really cares. I know the thread has now diverted in to a different topic and that is whether it creates a negative atmosphere and scares off new players, and I strongly dissagree that it does, if that is the issue now then we should simply have a vote, just make a poll and everyone votes on whether they think this is the case or not. I think we already know what the outcome of that will be..... Or just have a sever message that comes up in the chatbox every few minutes saying "if you find yourself being taunted don't worry it's nothing personal it's just become fashionable here |
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| Author: | dazed [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:45 pm ] | |||||||||
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That isn't true Mehby, we do it for a bit of a laugh we don't do it to annoy anyone, if I wanted to be annoying I would do something like build a teleport that goes back to first point on a 5cp map, or something similar that trolls do, but we don't go in for any trolling nonsense that might be annoying people, we taunt for a bit of fun, not to annoy people, and I don't believe that anyone else other than henchling is really annoyed by it. It certainly can't be any more annoying as when youre coming up to mid and a demo flies through the air with the sticky jumper and hits you on the head with that cabber weapon killing you instantly, or being air blast spammed while ubered, and we all put up with that even if we don't like it. |
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| Author: | .dot [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taunting |
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| Author: | Mehby [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taunting |
dont get me wrong i'm not saying you or others like you are taunting to be annoying just that you are atleast aware that some people do find it annoying and each person will have their own opinion on whether it is more or less annoying than anything else. Whilst I believe you are entitled to be yourself and not be questioned, let me paint a hypothetical scenario:- If there is a theatre full of people of various backgrounds and ages and there is a person constantly sighing when he doesnt like something. Whilst it may annoy a fair few people only one person voices issue. If the person sighing continues to do so maybe out of spite of being called up on it or simply out of belief of being them self, does this mean that the others who are potentially pacifist and avoid confrontation do not deserve the issue to be recognised? This thread seems very 1 group vs another but I have not experienced a single example in my entire life where things are black and white, 50 shades of grey would be more apt and there is always collateral damage in any conflict most of the time on innocent by standers |
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| Author: | Zerged [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taunting |
I have always liked the public HH servers for its fun and skilled bunch of people who play the game semi-seriously with lots of teamplay. If I didn't know any better, by reading this thread, I'd get the impression of the server being a cold, dark place where the meanest people hang around. If that was the case, I would have left the server a long time ago. No, no it's not the case! I come back almost every night for people who give the server character! Nice people, funny people. Like Boris who has 40'000 kills with his backburner (some of them being me And I am convinced, most regulars come back to this server because of the same reasons I listed above. Heck, they might even come back because of the two green haired silly snipers who taunt them each kill, who get themselves killed in the most ridiculous way there is, just because they can't resist to press the taunt button and whom they can taunt back when they finally get revenge. It's being discussed whether this behaviour puts off new players and whether it's counterproductive to teamplay. Yes, I guess there is some truth to it but do you want a sterile tryhard server without character? Don't get me wrong, even though there is much fun and sillyness on the server, it's still very "ptfo" and people are highly skilled. I have seen numerous new people join the server and stick to it. Why? Because they like it. If the taunting was such a big deal, the server would empty out every time people who taunt join the server and people would not come back. But no, this is not the case. Heck, I have seen new people starting to taunt me back because apparently they like it! If they raged, they'd just quit I guess. Well, if Henchling doesn't like taunting it's fair, we agreed to not taunt him anymore but banning taunting? I think this would hurt the server a lot more than help it. I would like to invite all the people who are playing regularly on the HH1/2 servers to voice their opinions about the matter. Because I have not seen many of these people comment in this thread even though it's 16 pages long already. They seem to be on the server, enjoying the game in the meantime. |
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| Author: | henchling [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taunting |
Again with the hyperbole. You speak out against group think and all of a sudden people think it's cool to make you out to be an unstable weirdo. dot, I'm getting the "taunting after every kill" thing directly from Dazed and Zerged. It's not even a question at this point. I used the colour of your hair as short-hand for the behaviours of the group of people you belong to. Even at that point, months ago, I was baffled and tired of your taunting just because you can. You're an odd case 'cause in my eyes you've never seemingly had an in-game personality of your own. Ever since I was aware of you on the server you adopted the same behaviours as Dazed and Zerged - the v/o "cheers" and "jeers" were all the same, and you played largely the same classes in a similar way. I never had any issue with this, it was just something I observed. Every regular on the server plays in fairly easily identifiable way. In fairness, this has changed over the past months. Then they painted their hair/hats green and so did you (I don't care what colours you paint your character, it was just the first visible in-game sign of your clique), and then you started the taunting thing that was already a well established hallmark of their behaviour. So yeah, I reacted to you the same way I've reacted to them, and rightly or wrongly (wrongly) I challenged your sense of identity. Apologies if you took this to heart. I was just reacting to a behaviour that I found obnoxious. That said, I still think it's pretty ridiculous that I'm the bad guy for reacting to a behaviour being forced on me for no other reason than "because that's what we do". Zerged, No one is considering banning taunting. The only people who have written about banning taunting are you and the other people who pulled the idea out of thin air. I also think it's a gross exaggeration to say that the server would be "sterile" and "tryhard" if you remove your taunting after every kill. |
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| Author: | I am terrible [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taunting |
I see a number of people have suggested that this is an off putting practice for potential new players on the server joining in. But when i first really started playing TF2 after quite a long break 2 years ago and i joined HH2 with a friend of mine, we found a nice server with a couple of snipers that always seemed to taunt us. We both actually saw this more as challenge to try and get the blasted sniper that constantly head shots us no matter what we tried to do and we had a great laugh doing so. If we killed him it was great. We have both stuck around since and still have good fun, although my friend has been drawn into the great time sink of Dota2. I always have immense fun playing on the servers, even though most of the time i spend it at the bottom of the scoreboard. I personally don't tend to find the taunting annoying i just want to get them back for it. I have no idea who henchling is but i do remember some guy called Horde having a proper go at me one day saying that i was being an idiot like dazed and Zerged but i believe that was sometime ago. But anyway i digress i have always enjoyed my experience on HH servers and i really think the different personalities really add to the enjoyment. my friend and I certainly enjoy the challenge of attempting to get Dazed and Zerged back and i think that it actually added to our fun. Personally i believe a banning taunts would be a bit of an over reaction. If i had any idea who you were i would probably avoid taunting you. |
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| Author: | henchling [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taunting |
I'm totally bored of this thread. So few people actually read anything I've written, or somehow, willfully or not, end up with some twisted version of what I'm talking about. Even worse, I imagine they just come in with preconceptions, coloured by whatever hilarious ramblings Dazed et al. have said about me in the server over the past couple of days. There's literally no point in continuing when people can't even be bothered to read in a medium that is entirely writing. Shut it down. |
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| Author: | Zerged [ Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:02 am ] | |||||||||
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This might be true but it's not really the point. If we "remove my/our taunting after every kill." because a minority (as pointed out in previous posts, we don't know this (yet) but for the reasons I described before, I'm pretty sure it is this way) doesn't like it, what does that mean for other stuff a minority of the people don't like? Do we have to "remove" players from the server because they have too good aim and some people are annoyed by it? Do we have to "remove" certain weapons because people get annoyed by them? Do we have to "remove" voicelines? Do we have to "remove" heavy + medic combos because they are too powerful? etc. etc. If we approve of removing or heavily restrict taunting because of a minority, the logical consequence would have to be to remove many other things as well. And this would make the server sterile and tryhard imo. Obviously this is only true if the people who are appalled by the constant taunting are indeed in the vast minority. That's the reason why I would like to know the honest opinion of people who are regularly playing on the server. If it turns out the vast majority heavily dislikes the taunting, I guess I (and I'm sure other people as well) would stop doing it without further discussion. |
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