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Author:  henchling [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting
Shocking that Dazed has resorted to mudslinging.

Apparently that's my department.
Author:  Deepblue [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting
henchling wrote:
It's not normal.


and?
Some people taunt, some don't. Of course it's not normal since there's no consistency.
I don't, simply because there's no real time or place to do it without getting killed.

henchling wrote:
I've been playing TF2 for 5 years on a variety of servers and it's only in the past few months on this server that has seen the rise of you & your group of friends constantly taunting.


and what?

"The rise"?

....really?

You make it sound like it's some sort of conspiracy against you or they're doing it to spite you and/or others.

People can play as they like.
Hell, I've seen some people play as Medic and only run around using the syringe gun and not healing people. It's not normal no, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't do it.

Zerged and his friends probably discuss fun things to do in TF2 and do it as a group since they're friends.
Author:  henchling [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting
Thanks for your contribution, Deepblue.
Author:  frog [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting
Deepblue wrote:
henchling wrote:
It's not normal.


and?
Some people taunt, some don't. Of course it's not normal since there's no consistency.
I don't, simply because there's no real time or place to do it without getting killed.

Deepblue, I believe you are missing the very specific point that henchling is making. What he is referring to isn't really 'normal', it's some kind of cliquey ritual/habit/behaviour/conditioning.
Author:  Deepblue [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting
I guess I just don't really like the way Henchling made this topic as though they're making a public nuisance of themselves. I would have preferred if Henchling kept it between him and the players doing it since it's only really affecting Henchling.
Author:  Telgor [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting
Please keep posts civil.

The only solution I can see is for people not to constantly taunt Henchling and for Henchling not to change his name so people know not to taunt him. Can everyone involved agree on this? If this isn't acceptable to all then please suggest something else in a constructive manner.
Author:  Sam [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting
I agree with Telgor.

Taunting new players could be off-putting. However a couple weeks ago when I came back after a long break from TF2, I didn't know most people on the server and I was a bit crap at the game. Zerged's taunts didn't intimidate me, they made me smile and remember who he was. He is the only person who I really remember taunting regularly, so I think of it as something as part of his character rather than something done by a clique against others. I'm glad I didn't have to 'opt in'.

Others might have a different experience.
Author:  Quest [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting
I get very annoyed when I'm constantly headshot by ^Dazed and Zerged in an evening. But it's not them I'm annoyed at, it's myself for being so damn predictable. I have off days and it can infuriate me no end, but in the end I just wish I was good at sniping as those guys and I get over it.

I never know who I've killed when I'm playing as I concentrate on playing rather than looking at the death feed all tiny in the corner of my screen. So I believe that it's easier said than done to just not taunt one person - as such it's easy to see how they both would still occasionally taunt even if trying to restrict themselves with regards to yourself.

In addition (and I hold no position of authority or respect on this server so you can disregard without prejudice these remarks), the formulation of your initial post was provocative and I do feel that you could have raised the same issues much more diplomatically.

Just my 2yen.
-Q.
Author:  henchling [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting
Thanks for your contribution too, Quest. I don't know who you are, but if you believe that this is actually a matter of displaced anger over being killed over and over again by Dazed and Zerged, you're quite mistaken.

I'm not sure what you feel is provocative about my opening post. It doesn't read especially sensational to me.

Telgor,

I feel I made a perfectly reasonable suggestion near the beginning of this thread, before Dazed decided to lose his mind:

"If they don't know someone*, or know that a person isn't OK with their idea of fun, maybe they could refrain from hitting the taunt key."

Selfishly, I'd quite like to continue changing my name whenever I'd like.

*I find it hard to believe that a newcomer to the server would not be puzzled, and perhaps even dissuaded from playing here if they happen to suffer the misfortune of being repeatedly killed/taunted by one of these people - it's just not normal, friendly behaviour.
Author:  Quest [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taunting
henchling wrote:
if you believe that this is actually a matter of displaced anger over being killed over and over again by Dazed and Zerged, you're quite mistaken.


This is not what I was suggesting at all, this is how I feel. Through it I was attempting to put my reply in perspective from a non-biased viewpoint.

henchling wrote:
I'm not sure what you feel is provocative about my opening post. It doesn't read especially sensational to me.

The use of very short sentences. And newlines after each point. Adds a negative tone. Even if you didn't intend it. E.g.,

Quote:
I don't like it. I find it irksome.

I've asked them to stop. Repeatedly.

They don't.


Also you went as far as to not name the individuals (a correct thing to do) but then referred to them as "your little green-haired club" identifying them.

To sum up I would have posted the following including all of the important points (obviously feel free to disagree):

Quote:
There are a group of players on the server who indiscriminately taunt after each kill, for which I believe there is no malice involved. Regardless, I find this to be irritating and have repeatedly asked them to stop but they have not done this.

I feel that because they enjoy doing it, and have been doing so for a long time I should OK with it, and that engenders a community. I disagree with this, but if you kill me in a funny or well earned way, I'm fine with that. Go ahead and taunt, but I find the constant taunting obnoxious.

Please could those taunting be considerate of how other players may feel and try harder to not taunt those who have asked not to taunt.


Much love and happiness,
-Q.
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