What did the chink say to the walabe?

'Lets run a tourney'

So we are.

Extra and myself have joined forces in creating a best of class tournament which is going to run over the next few months. In true nature between us, we dont agree on anything (most of the time) so we have decided to run this in two different formats. I will explain my idea and he will explain his, we are going to run on alternative weeks and are looking for suggestions on the format of the tournament. We will start sign ups soon, you do not necessarily have to sign up to both parts of the tournament, however if you wish to have an accurate rating on where you stand in the clan as a certain class, you will want to sign up to both. Plus both parts will be great community events which will be worth competing in. However if you sign up, attendance is vital to both parts running smoothly and no shows are not acceptable. One no show without valid reason means a ban from the rest of the tournament.

Right to my story. I have said since the nations cup that I would run more tournaments in the HH. I am rather bored in china most of the time which is why I bring you this. The best of class, class v class tournament. Basically I will be taking each class and getting people to sign up for that class. The way this will run is that for example, if I get 12 signups for people to play as pyro, I will take that 12 and divide it into two teams of 6. These two teams will be divided based on general skill, time played as that class etc. This six v six match will be played on a map voted on by the players who sign up to play. The map will be played for the full time. The four people with the most points at the end of this map will be brought through to the final stages. This means to earn the points you will have to work as a team but also be good at that class to get the kills. This is one side of being a good player (extra’s tournament deals with another side). These four people who go through will then play one on one in arena style combat to decide a winner.
Due to my internet connection unfortunately I will not be there to admin the servers while the tournament is going on. I have got four volunteers who have very kindly said they will help with running of the tournament server side. These are Swampthing, Bedizen, Queed baller and Negcreep. As far as I know they are all willing to help out when they can. They will have the authority on the day to change around the team structure, or pull out players if the teams are un-even due to people not showing up. This is why attendance if you sign up is vital. We cannot have a 6v5 in the qualifying stages, if this happens the admins will have to pull someone off the opposing team. So if you do not show, there may be consequences for another player. It is what must happen to ensure a fair contest for all that take part. If you do happen to be pulled for this reason we will try sort something out.

For my part, these ideas have already been brought forward. One thing that I’m sure will come up is the fact that some classes are not made for this type of play. There will be some very genuine real battles in my part of the tournament and some will just be a fun community event. Such an engineer or spy, it will have its fun parts, demo and solly etc will be a lot more competitive.

The ideas so far -
Ban league players from taking part due to their skill in certain classes
Restrict amount of sign ups per person to stop overlapping in later stages with other parts of the tournament
No pl maps to stop red getting an advantage

Any other ideas or suggestions are appreciated and will be taken into consideration

Extra wrote:
G'day folks, here's my side of this here best of class thingimagic.

Some of you are no doubt thinking "playing vs. the same class isn’t indicative of being the best", this is true engy will not really fight engy the way its supposed to play, Pyros cant catch on fire, and heavy combat is decided very quickly, and while these situations do occour in regular gameplay they are rare.

So here’s the flip side to craki's coin, although it is more of a qualifier.

Every other week I or one of our subsidiaries will announce a BoC (best of class) match, these, ideally, will be highlander matches, for the unitiated that means 2 teams of 9 people, 1 of each class. At the end of the match your total points will be screenshotted, at the end of this event, the player with the highest points in that class is the best in class.

I know what your thinking: some maps are terrible for classes, I might have a really off day, I might end up using my friends mouse because mine broke and its a shitty Tesco one, I don’t play more than one class competitively once I play my match I'm done with this event for good. Fear not, for I have catered to every one of these. Players may re-enter the tournament and play more than one of my BoC matches HOWEVER:

= Players may not play the same class for two consecutive BoC matches, this allows a large number of people to try their hand at the more popular classes and get a chance to prove they are the best.

= You can improve your standing, it isn’t all decided in the first match, your Total BoC Points are your aggregate match points divided by the number of matches you’ve played in

For example, a player plays pyro 3 times in 3 different matches, he gets 15 points in one 20 in another and 18 in the third, his average is 15+20+18/3 = 17.6 , so his BoC points is 17.6.

To surmise: even if you think you had a fairly good match, you can manage to improve it even more if you think you’ll have a better game in the second match, but beware: if you mess up on the retry your average will go down! So have your strategies set!!

The Matches will be announced 2 weeks in advance for plenty of time to signup, but the favoured classes will fill quickly!!

I wont bore you with spiel about what will happen if you sign and don’t turn up, suffice to say the wrath of a Brit that’s just spent 3 months learning to kill things from miles away with a bent piece of wood is not something you would want to endure

That's all from me, I'll had you back to craki


Hold on bore them? what!
At the end of the two tournaments, both sets of stats will be combined. If a person is truly best of class, both tournaments will agree on one person for a certain class.

Well thats all folks, suggestions???

P.s -sorry for the gigantic post

Good luck with this you two.

I know my place in the scout pecking order already though

Can you really organise a tounerment to see who is the best? People will do their stuff in pubs but when put centre stage for a match, I dunno. Good luck to you guys anyway.

If you really to find out is best then 1v1 duel map is the way to go. Using ingame points to rank is quite arbitary as too many factors beyond a players ability determine how many points they get in a game. Banning league players because they are good at certain class spoils the point of this aswell.

Highlander matches are a good idea for a community event.

wooow... sounds good but it's going to be hard to please everyone.

You guys can't do a average BoC points of 2 tournments because in the crakIShadow some classes will have just a funny meeting instead of a match. So if a player joins an extra's BoC match as pyro a 3rd time in a row, maybe he should be invited to leave that match and join crak's match because there's only one playable class and it's 7 vs 7. it's like, you can't go extra's BoC? go play in crak's sandbox BoC!

I think crak's kind of tournament is good for fun. Because some classes are hard to face agaisnt themselves, your tournament shouldn't have a competitive side (no points, no prizes, just good fun!)

Extra's version will be more competitive and more genuine to TF2 beacuse it's what the producers of the game idealized . BUT sometimes ya don't get a spot to play with your favourite class so you go have a crak . I like both system, i just think they shouldn't be compared or look at them with the same eyes. If you want to have fun or you can't go extra's match, go to fun fun fun sandbox every pyro/spy/engies. (we can mke a lot of funny movies with this kind of matches). If you want to show how good you are and to test your skill and to show to other players that every class is important, you go extra


this is my critic, hope it's useful

I forsee an incredibly exciting game of spy vs spy with every player using the Cloak and Dagger to simulate an empty server.

sounds like fun chaps. cant wait for it.

As im playing sniper a lot ATM tho, got to ask how the load out weapons will effect. Sniper Rifle and bow are completely diff and some might argue that it makes a separate class all together.

Do you reckon you'll split the two or shall I start thinking of ways to take down those pesky insta-clicking snipers out there!?

I am for some SPY and Sniper!!

Good idea but expect a lot of RAGE!! at the end of the tournament after soem people will be brandishing thier winning awards like overendowed showponies!




agreed im actually surprised they didint ship a 10th class and call him the hunter. but yeah sniper trumps bow anyday hence those classes have to be separated.

Yes I have to agree on that one. The sniper huntman and sniper rifle will be two seperate events. Are there any other classes that show a distinct difference due to an unlock??

A monkey, in relation to your comments, i do agree my part will be a slightly more light hearted affair then extra's. But it will i believe be rather competitive as well. And it is always hard to please everyone, rather impossible actually. You have to aim for a good 75% of people to be happy, the rest are nearly always going to be unhappy so leave em to it.


Jman, agreed on the league player thing, with regards to scoring, how else do you suggest we go about scoring. Maybe a score system in relation to kills, capped points etc, then minus for deaths?

Well, in 1v1 score isn't really an issue because its pretty clear who wins. If players numbers are small enough perhaps it would be better to do a knockout 1v1 tournament instead of teams?

The other way you could do it is to keep subdividing the winning team. So you start with 6v6, then 3v3, then you bump the highest scoring player up from the team to make it 2v2 etc. As J-man says there is a lot more to the game than scoring points, you don't get many points for watching a crucial chokepoint and you'll get more points for playing suicidally.

The same problem exists with the Highlander format. A heavy class that gets a lot of love from his medic will score much higher than a equally skilled heavy class that does not, for example, and one Sniper might trump another on a map more favourable to Snipers. Ofc, Highlander would be fun regardless, but its all about team work!

Oh, and I think disallowing league players is a bad idea. I play in leagues too, I just happen not to be part of the HH team, so is everybody who plays league games to be disallowed, or just the HH guys? If just the HH guys then why? Either way "Lets find the best Scout. Apart from him, he is too good" sounds pretty stupid to me.