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[MAFIA] Day Two
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Author:  Fr3ddi3 [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [MAFIA] Day Two
I was quiet happy to sit back and watch events pan out with minimum input, see how people reacted when certain votes tally'd up and what would happen when push came to shove, gronans demise is a strange one as already pointed out, there have been much more vocal members of this community who i would have thought made more "enemies" after recent events.

from what iv'e read certain people are already "vouching" for others, do they know something we don't perhaps?
Author:  nyZe [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [MAFIA] Day Two
Agent 47 wrote:
I think it is a bit suspicious that gronon got killed by the serial killer seeing as he was the second smallest poster in day 1. It would make sense for the serial killer to target the quiet ones to keep low profile, but this raises the question why wasn't fr3ddie, the lowest post count killed? Just a thought.


Maybe he suspected the wrong person first [mixed]
Author:  Cuddles [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [MAFIA] Day Two
Mr_Twister wrote:
Hm, Bedizen was the first to vote, without decent explanation, and looked very suspiciuos to me. But now we know more, Bedizen voted for Extra_Cold, who turned out to be maffia. If Bedizen were mafia as well, making the very first vote on a fellow mobster sounds like a very unlikely action. If he is maffia, then I'd say it was pure genious to make such a bold move, because everyone will probably think he's innocent now.


Let's assume that Bedizen IS a mafia. If he then decides to rally against a fellow mafia member, and succedes in getting this associate lynched, wouldn't that put him as a high value target to the rest of the mafia? Or is it a sacrifice the mafia made to make him and some other members look innocent?

I think the people voting for Extra are the main suspects. And I still believe that Bedizen has something to hide and that he escaped a lynching by an inch as people suddenly jumped on the Tram Cho Cho bandwagon. In hindsight, he began the 'crazy guy' attitude when the votes began to go against him.

VOTE BEDIZEN
Author:  Ozku [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [MAFIA] Day Two
Since extra was a mafia, I would assume that Tram is just an average joe like rest of us. However, I would pay attention to people who voted him all of sudden.

By the end of the day, following players voted him and are still alive; edicius, LuciusKain, Kifter, Fr3ddi3, nyZe, Agent 47 and StingerNPT. Irpax also voted him but changed his vote by last minute to extra.

I'm not saying above people are definitely mafia scums, but the sudden burst of votes on Tram was a bit suspicious, don't you think? It is also possible that someone double crossed extra by voting him.
Author:  Tram Cho Cho [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [MAFIA] Day Two
LuciusKain wrote:
Hmm, it seems I owe Tram an apology. Looking at the number of people who jumped on him after the Bedizen vote lost popularity, possibly to try and avoid the vote going to Extra, my guess is he may be innocent all along. Since I was actively campaigning for him to be lynched, I apologise.

Perhaps we should look at some of the people who voted for him near the end of the last day?


Apology accepted ;)

It seems that my suspicions were correct all along. However, there are more people I have noticed that have a very fishy way to make their posts. I will not say names yet, but I am fairly certain they are mobs.

Especially due to the VERY interesting boost of votes I got on me in the end when it turned out to be either me or Extra_Cold. I have three people, two of them which I am almost 100% certain on. But I will lay low for now, because the mob is probably very shaky now when I am sniffing their scent.

Oh and Lucius, if you ever wonder where that £5 bill went from your pocket, you dropped it on the tram. And no you are not getting it back, consider it payment for thinking I would be a mobster :(

I agree with Ozku, he have a sharp eye for this. Most cunning.
Author:  Sam [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [MAFIA] Day Two
Vote Count

Bedizen 1 (Cuddles)

With 22 players it takes 12 votes to lynch.
Author:  LuciusKain [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [MAFIA] Day Two
Mr_Twister wrote:
You would owe Tram an apology if he had been lynched and turned out innocent. But Extra_Cold being mafia, what does that change about Tram being innocent or not ? For me, he's still on my suspects list. Then again, he's not the only one. :D


I can't be bothered to look back, but from what I remember of the pattern of voting: votes moved from Bedizen to Extra, and from outliers to Tram. Now that we know that Extra was mafia, this points us to the possibility that Extra and Bedizen were both Mafia, and those that voted Tram as the votes shifted were mafia trying to swing the vote. I have a couple of specific suspicions there, but I'll keep quiet for now.

I'm not saying he's off the hook, but in my own twisted form of logic, Tram is looking less suspicious than he was yesterday.

On the other hand, I could be chatting bollocks.
Author:  Diakun [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [MAFIA] Day Two
Personally i think tram is innocent, as to the rest of the game well all those sudden votes to tram are suspicious there must be atleast a few mafia and possibly a serial killer in there somewhere.
Author:  iRPAx [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [MAFIA] Day Two
The sudden burst of votes indicates that: either the mob was turning votes or townies who found Tram's push towards Extra at the time suspicious. Yes, mobs were probably among those votes but townies as well.
Author:  Sam [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [MAFIA] Day Two
Day One Voting Summary

Bedizen votes Extra for sleeping with his mother.
Tram votes Agent for being a 'backstabber'.
Extra votes Bedizen for making a 'snappy decision'.
Mr_Twister votes Bedizen (and suspected Tram) for a suspicious, random vote.
schokomesser votes Bedizen as he was the first to speak and had no reason to vote the way he did.
Mr_Twister unvotes Bedizen, as he felt Vascius and schokomesser were 'too eager to jump the bandwagon'.
Daystar votes for Extra to be 'provocative'.
Telgor votes for Agent for 'trying too hard' with some thinking smilies.
Mr_Twister votes for Daystar, as he gave a poor justification for voting randomly.
themadme votes for Bedizen as he was the first to vote randomly and had not defended himself.
Diakun votes for Bedizen.
Mr_Twister changed his vote to Bedizen as he hadn't defended himself, and believes that if he was innocent then more Mafia would be jumping on his bandwagon.

(Bedizen has 6 votes, Extra has 2, Agent has 2)

DarkVVulf votes Bedizen in response to his random babbling.
iRPAx changes his vote to schokomesser for charging high prices for booze.
Agent changes his vote to Extra for trying hard 'to not appear to be Mafia', and believes that Bedizen is making himself too obvious for him to be guilty.
Efrath votes for Extra because of his 'lack of responses'.
Kifter votes for Mr_Twister for getting on the 'lynch Bedizen train' and trying to 'influence our choice'.
Patch votes for Extra for 'wandering into the library whilst drunk'.
Tram changes his vote to Extra after noticing a 'very strange pattern' in his posts.
edicius votes for Tram for changing his vote to Extra 'just as the votes began piling'.
Diakun changes his vote to Extra after agreeing with Agent that he constantly used the word 'we' in his post.
Cuddles votes for Bedizen for trying to appear as the 'village idiot'.

(Bedizen and Extra have 7 votes, Agent, schokomesser, Mr_Twister and Tram have 1 vote)

Daystar changes his vote to Bedizen, then leaves to go on holiday.
Ozku changes his vote to Extra for trying too hard to look innocent.
LuciusKain says he's 'going to go with my gut' and votes for Tram.
Mr_Twister changes his vote to Extra.
gronon votes for nyZe for being 'quiet'.
Extra changes his vote to Tram for being on a 'crusade' against him.
Kifter changes his vote to Tram for trying to 'influence others'.
iRPAx changes his vote to Tram for 'trying to hard to influence people into voting against Extra'.

(Extra has 8 votes, Bedizen has 6, Tram has 5, Agent and nyZe have 1)

The 48 hour deadline is set.

Extra changes his vote to Bedizen.
Outfall changes his vote to Extra.
schokomesser changes his vote to Tram.
Fr3ddi3 changes his vote to Tram as 'something just seems iffy'.
Cuddles changes his vote to Extra.
Extra changes his vote to Tram as 'his actions just seem too off'.
Agent changes his vote to Tram for 'rallying people to vote others'.

(Extra and Tram have 9 votes each)

gronon changes his vote to Tram because 'he is a mafia scum obviously'.
DarkVVulf changes his vote to Extra.
Vascius changes his vote to Extra.
Stinger changes his vote to Tram 'reluctantly'.
Stinger unvotes, then re-votes for Tram.

(Extra and Tram have 11 votes each)

iRPAx changes his vote to Extra.

(Extra has 12 votes, Tram has 10 votes)

The Day ends and Extra is lynched.

This is just a brief reference, for the full context and for important posts that didn't contain votes, go back to the Day One thread.
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