I do not (agree, maybe i'm not the only one)...
it's pointless to try changing each other conviction,
at least if you don't add constructive fact with argument!

Hum, did i said something about new players?



If a noob come to the serv as hale, he's fucked...
Even with OP hales or on advantaging maps!
When you don't know how to jump, using skills or even rage,
experienced players will always eat him alive!
With slo-mo, or disadvantage maps, it's just even worst and faster...

For noob mercenaries, it's even worst!
They don't know hales rages or tricky stuffs, neighter maps!

That's learning progress... sometime, learning the hard way!
If there is nothing to learn, adapt, make you improve... the game is just pointless!

Experienced players don't get stuck most of the time, cause they know...
They have enought skill/knowledge to win with these ones (same as mercenaries)!
If an experienced player is stuck, that's because of mistake or being tricked,
and to manage to trick an experience player, that's a fair win!
(I DO NOT MEAN WITH GLITCH OF MAPS BITCHES)
I'm not only talking about slo-mo uber stuck, but TP kill too, sentry trap, demotrap, goomba trap...

As the same, you can avoid most of goomba just paying attention (as hale)...
That's not far different, it's even worst on some maps...
Should we remove it too cause it's not fair to noobs?
Noobs nearly always get fucked because of some skilled players...
I sometime don't even have the time to see a hale cause of that!
Should we remove CREVICE too, cause hales get goomba too easily or vice versa?

Like that, we can talk about spy backstab! 8% of Hale HP is a lot...
Noobs often get raped in less than a minute sometime!
Should we remove it too cause it's not fair for noobs?
I also sometime don't even have the time to see a hale cause of that!

Should i continu with TP trap against noobs?
Pointless...

Should we change the whole game for noobs entertainment?
Cause it's perfectly fine for experienced players!
Also, experienced players surrender when they know there're fucked!
Entertainment doesn't mean you have to win...
Maybe you and Night only enjoy yourself winning as Hales!
But i don't really see a prob, when everyone, at least most of the players enjoy the game!
There will be always people unsatified... but changes can also mean disatisfing,
most of the time even more because people are used to these stuffs!
Noob are most of the time a bit disatifisied!
But, noobs don't stay noobs forever!

EDIT:
Should i point the fact that now there is admins and voteslay,
to take care of abuses of glitches, like for maps?

Did you forget Thunder, that your an admin and your job,
is to resolve, teach, warn people against maps abuses that are not tolerated?

Don't work against the server, work with it!

As admin, it's a bit your job to make things improve!
Saying that i'm wrong just because you don't agree with me is not an admin way of behaviour!
Pointing what is wrong, with exemples, is much more!
(like Blinx have done before)!
Do your job, point fact... have a bit subjectivity, have resolution on the forum!

What did you do since you're admin?
At least on the forum?
Just: Huntsman taunt post... and what about Hales or Maps?


That's what i call facts with arguments!
Try to do so (i didn't meant to lecture you, but i've done it)!

So so?
The game is mostly fine!
You want specifics improvement...

Like i said to Night,
if you actually care, make or follow tread lines:
Like the One for Hales:
viewforum.php?f=74
Broken Maps (one tread for each problematic maps could be better):
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10678&start=0

A Wah-wah post is useless!
Talking Generaly is just Intellectual Masturbation!
I like it too, but sometime, that's pointless!
I can continu... but that will not help in anything the serv!

Make news specifics post or post after old specifics ones! Make feedbacks!
SERVER'S PROBLEMS is just a post to complain, argue, not to find solutions!

He has only been admin (more like moderator) for a week, no need to be spiteful.

Llamara, I have been taking care of rule breakers as an admin. You might have not seen me do that cus when me and Juiss was made to admins, people was following rules to avoid ban. And as this is first week and I don't have the kind of super admin powers, you should turn this against me. And also I'm not turning your conversation against but I can't always agree with everyone about everything because im an admin.

Fine, i was a bit harsh and overwhelming speaking... Sorry about that!
But, that's not untrue that you have stuff to do!
Arguing here will never help, we loose focus and exactitude there!

Not sure you'll ever get more power,
but doing nothing but blaming will never help!

I'm trying ATM to complete some lores/presentations of hales!
Feel free to point after on each hale what's wrong, we'll discuss there!
We'll see case by cases what need to be done.
I'm pretty sure that it will be more helpfull to give solutions!

If you want to talk about a map, feel free to do a new post too!

Ok first of all, I want to apologize Llamara, I misunderstood your part about the maps.
I thought you meant hales like Seeman on Nova_prospekt instead of uber hales in closed spaces. For the maps, by exploits I was thinking of real exploits like getting out of the map and not places that are still legal, but hard to get for the hale.

I don't blame you for going Pyro-Medic Combo with Verus, but I was saying it was selfish because you keep a medic for yourself. I don't really care if you want to stay number 1 in Pyro, you can do whatever you want, it's not like that I have any control over you anyway.

As far as for the new players goes. It's no use to balance the gamemode around them. Valve did this wrong by declining snowplow from the End of the Line update. It's a bad thing to do.

Another thing, why did you even start to use big letters?

There are problems that should be complained about, otherwise they won't get fixed.
Hence why I'm gonna add the gag system, you don't know how much we hate this thing...
Even the slightiest typos, accent uses like ó, à, ç, can get you gagged. Even typing the name of the scottish demo sword with the symbol on the o gets you gagged.
Extremely annoying when you're using a dutch/french keyboard where there are a lot of accents on it, making it more likely to get gagged by typos.

And fine, if you want me to analyse every single hale, I can give you a list. But that won't solve the problem now would it? And I still gonna say quality > quantity. It's better to have a small group of hales with each of their own unique playstyles that are mostly balanced, but we can't balance them around maps, I know that, some hales will always have advantages over other hales on certain maps. Perfection does not equal too overpowered.
As I've said perfection strives for:
-Fun while playing
-Fun while playing against
-No easy win
-No hard win
It should be around 50-50 when it comes to that. And some hales lack that.

And last but not least, why on earth would I be trolling?

Edit: I saw that frog added a plugin that counts win/loss ratio and gives health buffs/nerfs according to that. It doesn't help most of the time. Wheeping Angel (not alpha) gets 81k health, but still loses. Most hales are op/up due their gameplay, not due their hp. It's a step in the right direction I guess.

Sorry, but my posts are so long that i needed to make some more important stuffs to pop out...



Cause you missunderstood me, making it really painfull!



Fine, but we need specifics feedbacks for that, i asked frog to help for that, we have it, but no one used it or not so much people helpt for it (you made some Thunder, but only for some hales you cared)!

If we want to improve stuff, instead of complain, point the problems in the specifics posts while proposing some solutions! Much more constructive! We have the tools, we just need some manpower and talk about it! Relying just on Frog will never help if we don't give him accurated feedback!

It's great to have such in-depth discussions going on over the FF server!

You all raise good points on either side of the Quality/Quantity debate. Just don't flame each other to death please. I'm glad to see you're all being civil about this and apologizing when necessary.