Hmm it is starting to sound like these maps aren't wanted. And tbh one of the only times I played the gamemode I remember Gridwalls being pretty crap.

c17 is viable due to it something some rooms and places to hide unlike wow and grid walls.

I've won multiple times as Ass Pancakes which is in the 88%
on arena_wow

Bosses with uber + stun are sometimes viable on closed maps providing there's no airblasting pyros. And no, I'm not saying anything.